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drrob43 Posts: 1
1/2/2016
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The subject says it ... how high can a book grade with a detached centerfold (PRESENT, but detached)? Any thoughts?
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netstuffers Administrator Posts: 239
1/2/2016
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drrob43 wrote:
The subject says it ... how high can a book grade with a detached centerfold (PRESENT, but detached)? Any thoughts?
It's really hard to say without knowing the condition of the rest of the book. I mean, even if the rest of the book was an immaculate 10.0, I'd think a centerfold detachment would definitely be a decent ding.
But of course, at the end of the day, it all comes down to the potential buyer.
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brownchikano Posts: 14
1/6/2016
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Cover deatched makes the book VG at best, i would think same can be said for centerfold??
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knparzival Posts: 16
1/7/2016
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Grading tends to be a lot more forgiving when it comes to centerfolds and for good reason. I have books with detached centerfolds with a 5.5 and would probably have received a 5.5 even if the staples were in tact. If you think about it a detached centerfold is often the result of a poor stapling job. When the cover is detached it is often a result to damage to the book spine. I think it comes down to whether or not the detachment is related to a rip in the book or the staples not connecting well as result of a poor stabling job which is fairly common when it comes to golden age books.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
1/16/2016
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I think the common consensus (outside of this forum) is in the VG realm at best. However, I would suggest that the condition of the rest of the book should be VG+ or better to get that high. Whether it is a detached centerfold or cover it is much harder to maintain such a book because of the added care one must take in handling it. With a detached CF, for example, it can be hard to get it back into proper alignment and, therefore, it can stick out beyond the other pages and cause more wear to that fold. Yes it is a bit less of a problem than a detached cover but no matter which way you cut it the integrity of the book has been seriously compromised. Detached covers do get hit harder but I honestly don't understand why considering both defects cause the book to be harder to maintain, can compromise the completeness of the the book, and can lead to further damage.
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knparzival Posts: 16
1/22/2016
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I cannot speak for modern books because I do not collect them. I can however tell you with confidence that getting over a 5.0 is quite possible for a detached centerfold for golden age and makes complete sense too me. It was not uncommon for a golden age book to have a poorly attached centerfold at time of publishing and it would do a book injustice to dock it that much for something was likely a result of how the book was published. Keep in mind there are a decent number of books that had only 1 staple and books were not always stapled all of the way through. From what I can tell grading companies agree with this assertion based on books I have seen graded with detached covers.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
1/23/2016
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I have never, ever come across a gold or silver age book where the manufacturing could be blamed for a detached CF. I have owned many a gold and silver age book and not one looked to be straining to hold its CF. Now I have owned and seen a few books that most definitely had staple punch through on the cover and those all got treated like they were damaged by the owner. So ... I would definitely hit a detached CF every bit as hard as a cover detached at a staple. It remains a serious integrity issue.
Now if the rest of the book was really high grade I could possibly go higher but I haven't yet send a book with a detached CF that would have graded higher than a fine without the detached CF. I did have a fine appearing copy of Wonder Woman #85 but the CF was detached and so both myself and another local agreed the book dropped to the VG ranges.
So really it all depends on the condition of the rest of the book. Higher than VG is not out of the question but highly unlikely.
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knparzival Posts: 16
3/4/2016
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Here are some examples.
http://s153.photobucket.com/user/zzutak/media/CGC-Blue/B8-11.jpg.html
http://s153.photobucket.com/user/zzutak/media/CGC-Blue/B8-12.jpg.html
http://s153.photobucket.com/user/zzutak/media/CGC-Blue/B8-13.jpg.html
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