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fdaz89 Posts: 56
12/24/2020
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Whew, you had me worried!
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Defiant1 Posts: 720
12/24/2020
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I use a lot of security related add-ons which breaks the functionality of some sites. I used to log out of social media sites by deleting cookies. It was faster than finding the logout button. Facebook & Twitter think I'm a robot. I'm not using either now.
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taskmaster Posts: 265
12/30/2020
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OK here me out how come ALOT of the "Hot" books that NO ONE KNEW about and were like $3-4 etc. are now $25 or more???
WTF?? Where are you guys getting your info??? It would be nice to know ahead of time instead of paying thru the ass for a books that was $3-4 a couple days earlier....WTF??
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BasementComics Posts: 784
12/30/2020
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I know Ron has written about Star Wars and other series seriously heating up. I am on eBay daily and I can see these books are skyrocketing based on sales out data. If demand far exceeds supply, that will continue to drive costs up.
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Ronbatman Administrator Posts: 2530
12/30/2020
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Taskmaster wrote:
OK here me out how come ALOT of the "Hot" books that NO ONE KNEW about and were like $3-4 etc. are now $25 or more???
WTF?? Where are you guys getting your info??? It would be nice to know ahead of time instead of paying thru the ass for a books that was $3-4 a couple days earlier....WTF??
Taskmaster, we are reporting sales data not predicting what book will be hot. So people buy a book and we report on it. Someone knew. For the Loki book, a Disney trailer showed Hiddleston with a "vote Loki" button, looking identical to the cover of issue 1. That sparked a buying frenzy.
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taskmaster Posts: 265
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BasementComics wrote:
I know Ron has written about Star Wars and other series seriously heating up. I am on eBay daily and I can see these books are skyrocketing based on sales out data. If demand far exceeds supply, that will continue to drive costs up.
I get Boba Fett and Asoka and Thrawn but the Legends characters like Darth Bane,Mara Jade etc. I don't get it a little heads up BEFORE it goes up thru the roof would be nice..And why is Transformes #1 going high for what???
I just don't get it used to be a "Look out for" then it hit NOW it seems like the book that was Worthless and keep an eye on is going for $25-30 NOW???? How can something you "Keep an eye on" that never was on here is going BIG dollars ahead of a tv movie etc?
I guess alot of people are not in the "loop" if they were they couldn't get the deals...Why have that happen then?
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taskmaster Posts: 265
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Ronbatman wrote:
Taskmaster wrote:
OK here me out how come ALOT of the "Hot" books that NO ONE KNEW about and were like $3-4 etc. are now $25 or more???
WTF?? Where are you guys getting your info??? It would be nice to know ahead of time instead of paying thru the ass for a books that was $3-4 a couple days earlier....WTF??
Taskmaster, we are reporting sales data not predicting what book will be hot. So people buy a book and we report on it. Someone knew. For the Loki book, a Disney trailer showed Hiddleston with a "vote Loki" button, looking identical to the cover of issue 1. That sparked a buying frenzy.
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Really??? Where here or in the real world??
I seen some decent prices on E-Bay NOT what your reporting which is way too high...
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rustyauger Posts: 159
12/30/2020
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Taskmaster wrote:
BasementComics wrote:
I don't get it a little heads up BEFORE it goes up thru the roof would be nice.
When they update the Value Changes they are giving you a heads-up
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taskmaster Posts: 265
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rustyauger wrote:
Taskmaster wrote:
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I don't get it a little heads up BEFORE it goes up thru the roof would be nice.
When they update the Value Changes they are giving you a heads-up
In the past the same book that is/was $3-4 was a "watch it book" it didn't go up to $25 or more before anything happened that happens alot now "Heresay"
Does Spectacular Spider-Man #176 ring a bell?? "Speculation" and "Heresay" what's that book worth now?? Okay....
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Ronbatman Administrator Posts: 2530
12/30/2020
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Taskmaster wrote:
Really??? Where here or in the real world??
I seen some decent prices on E-Bay NOT what your reporting which is way too high...
Spend the time figuring all the NM values not VF or other conditions then tell me what you think the price for Vote Loki #1 should be. We have $22 based on finished auctions.
The range for NM books is $30 down to $19.
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taskmaster Posts: 265
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Ronbatman wrote:
Taskmaster wrote:
Really??? Where here or in the real world??
I seen some decent prices on E-Bay NOT what your reporting which is way too high...
Spend the time figuring all the NM values not VF or other conditions then tell me what you think the price for Vote Loki #1 should be. We have $22 based on finished auctions.
The range for NM books is $30 down to $19.
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I actually bought one for $8 shipped...Like I said it's SPECULATION that this book MIGHT go up how many times did a trailer give value to something that NEVER showed up in the tv and or movie??
Look at my example of Spectacular Spider-Man #176 it went up BECAUSE of the name of the villain Corona because of the Corona Virus....Now where is that book???
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shavagonew Posts: 104
12/30/2020
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Not quite sure why you are so upset. Do you feel obligated to buy a comic because this site says its one to look for? Because there are a whole lot of other ones out there. Speculators have always been a part of this industry, And most of the time, if I don't already own a certain comic, I just go "oh well, guess I will wait until the price drops" if its something I actually want. Just not quite understanding your rage because certain books are selling for higher prices because of a tv show, or movie, or character reintroduction, or whatever.
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taskmaster Posts: 265
12/31/2020
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shavagonew wrote:
Not quite sure why you are so upset. Do you feel obligated to buy a comic because this site says its one to look for? Because there are a whole lot of other ones out there. Speculators have always been a part of this industry, And most of the time, if I don't already own a certain comic, I just go "oh well, guess I will wait until the price drops" if its something I actually want. Just not quite understanding your rage because certain books are selling for higher prices because of a tv show, or movie, or character reintroduction, or whatever.
No because they changed the way it's done it never appeared from nowhere to like a $25 + book...I used to see a run of these for what price they are/were listed...Now it's seem like they are gauging the sale of these books based on E-Bay and the "Possibility" of this book exploding for big $$$$ which it is WILL if the jump in price in "real" over time across all boards and all outlets to gauge what it REALLY is.
And alot of times I need some of those books but they are too much to pay for a filler book for me (Look at the Spider-Man villain Corona) makes no sense why that book went as high at it did...
And where are they finding the inside scoop for these books? Some we know about via tv or movies but others having me scratching my head as to why it is what it is?
They should come up with an explanation on WHY these books are hot are why...
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Ronbatman Administrator Posts: 2530
12/31/2020
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Taskmaster, (shaking my head) oh, Taskmaster.
You have made some baseless accusations about our pricing. "Where are you getting these prices from", "possibility" pricing, is it "real". The insinuations that you are making are pissing me off and the entire staff of CPG. We work diligently and take pricing very seriously. We don't makeup numbers or speculate or change prices on "possibility". We use real data, unlike the random things that you are currently spewing. Anyone can say these are fake prices when you aren't doing the hard work of pricing comics. You have given zero evidence that the price changes we made aren't accurate, zero! You've given your opinion but no evidence that refutes our price changes. I encourage you to go look at our new value changes and examine them with real-world sales data.
"They should come up with an explanation on WHY these books are hot and why..."
ROTFL I'm constantly surprised at how much free members want in addition to the free price guide. Can you come over and paint my house for free? Oh, your time has value? Shocking!
Please be very careful with your next comments about our site because you are on the edge.
Ron
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Defiant1 Posts: 720
12/31/2020
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I guess I was always ahead of the curve on getting books before they got hot. I was buying 1st appearances and key issues back in the 70's while my best friend was more concerned that he had issues of the Human Fly. I think I had to talk him into getting a Hulk #181 back then and it's now his most valuable comic. Maybe that's why he quit collecting 40 years ago?! I picked up a Tales To Astonish #13 months before I even knew Marvel was using him in Guardians of the Galaxy. Needless to say, that book skyrocketed in price after I bought it.
I think it's very easy to get too immersed in just reading comics and you lose an eye for what is significant. Contrary to popular belief, you can be a comic readers AND a speculator. You can buy comics worth reading that will be hot some day. You just have to be a little more picky on how you spend your money.
I stepped away from conics entirely for 10 years which really gave me a better perspective on what is going to be a better long term investment. In 1980, you could spend the exact same amount on a minty fresh New Teen Titans #1 from the 80's or a lower grade Iron Man #1 from the late 60's. I don't even like Iron Man #1, but it was a helluva a lot better long term investment than that extremely hot New Teen Titans comic at the time. Jump ahead 10 years and that Iron Man comic increased in value 10-fold or more. The Teen Titans comic was back in dollar boxes. I know it's rebounded more since then, but my point is, you have to develop an instinct if you want to buy comics before they go up.
When everyone is flocking towards the current hot comic, don't be so easily tempted to follow the crowd.
For comics to go up at all, it is to a large degree a self-fulfilling prophesy. People have to collective believe a comic will go up in value before they are willing to pay extra to get it.
It has little or nothing to do with the story or art quality. It has to do with the significance of the events within and how it inspires readers and future creators.
I believe in Thor #225 (1st Firelord). I think it still has potential but, no writers are using the character. All my belief in that book means nothing if someone writing for Marvel doesn't carry the torch and use him in their stories. Most of the modern comics people flock after today wil have price spikes, and then be forgotten.
You can try to speculate on modern comics, but there are 50 duds for every comic that actually increases in value. It's not worth the risk. Of those that spike, most will be forgotten within 18 months (or be unsalable in that time span).
It's not worth getting upset or frustrated, because the people flipping this for escalated prices are really just recovering losses they took on other purchases.
It's better to find a comic that has already proven itself over time.
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Draven68 Posts: 138
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Taskmaster you or someone deleted your comments before I had a chance to reply but what I understand is that this sight offers each member the opportunity to suggest a change in the value of a comic. In order for them (the moderators) to legitimately make the change on an assumed informed opinion is for the member to provide proof via a link to the website that validates their suggestion. At that point they will review the request and if deemed valid ( a reputable source), the adjustment up or down will be made. You had commented about having proof in your statement that was deleted... well provide it in your suggestion to make the price change. Everyone here is treated fairly and equal. Your opinion counts just like everyone else's, which makes the site invaluable to so many.
Directly from their suggested price change: YOU ARE SUGGESTING RAW VALUES
You do not need to suggest each value. Please have a link to prove data.
Only changed values will be submitted. Unchanged values are ignored, but factored in with enough data
Your data will be stored in queue for review, along with your username and IP
Please use the best possible data and link for the data, for us to follow up on your claim to get it worked on ASAP.
DO NOT USE other price guide resources for your claim, real completed market data is needed for us to verify
Submitting data does not mean guaranteed or immediate approval of new values. Please do not submit the same one twice.
Sure you can complain that you don't understand why certain books go up while others don't. No one person can predict the future, just hope they're making the right decision when they make that next purchase. Accusing the moderators that they're increasing prices for no reason makes no logical sense for having this site. No one could trust them and they would lose paying members. Do your due diligence, research these sites that have proof that you deem more valid than here and compare it to others like eBay (most recent sold items, not items for sale).
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taskmaster Posts: 265
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Draven68 wrote:
Taskmaster you or someone deleted your comments before I had a chance to reply but what I understand is that this sight offers each member the opportunity to suggest a change in the value of a comic. In order for them (the moderators) to legitimately make the change on an assumed informed opinion is for the member to provide proof via a link to the website that validates their suggestion. At that point they will review the request and if deemed valid ( a reputable source), the adjustment up or down will be made. You had commented about having proof in your statement that was deleted... well provide it in your suggestion to make the price change. Everyone here is treated fairly and equal. Your opinion counts just like everyone else's, which makes the site invaluable to so many.
Directly from their suggested price change: YOU ARE SUGGESTING RAW VALUES
You do not need to suggest each value. Please have a link to prove data.
Only changed values will be submitted. Unchanged values are ignored, but factored in with enough data
Your data will be stored in queue for review, along with your username and IP
Please use the best possible data and link for the data, for us to follow up on your claim to get it worked on ASAP.
DO NOT USE other price guide resources for your claim, real completed market data is needed for us to verify
Submitting data does not mean guaranteed or immediate approval of new values. Please do not submit the same one twice.
Sure you can complain that you don't understand why certain books go up while others don't. No one person can predict the future, just hope they're making the right decision when they make that next purchase. Accusing the moderators that they're increasing prices for no reason makes no logical sense for having this site. No one could trust them and they would lose paying members. Do your due diligence, research these sites that have proof that you deem more valid than here and compare it to others like eBay (most recent sold items, not items for sale).
Then why did my response get "Deleted" I bring up other sites or E-Bay and instead of acknowledging it it get's ignored..I know when I'm "outed" that's fine. It's just funny that since when do "common" "Worthless" "mass produced" books jump up so high....
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Draven68 Posts: 138
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First appearances of characters that may show up in shows/movies, storylines can have the same effect. Just do an online search for "comic book speculation" and you'll find PLENTY of sources for why certain ones that you deem common or worthless, actually have true value to a lot of collectors. This trend has been going on for decades and I have a plethora of comics that show that I'm willing to listen and at times, buy some of these same comics in hope that they do make my investment worth it.
After doing your research and you still feel they're worthless and not worth your time, move on to what you feel is best for your buck and leave them to those that see value in adding them to their collection.
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Let's say you run a comics business. Collectors come in the door and they want some new hot book. Let's say you ordered extra and had a few copies on the shelf. The first one, you sell for cover price. The collector smiles. He buys it and walks out of the store. A second collector shows up and wants it. You sell it for cover price. You call the distributor and discover it's not available for reorder. Now there is a dilemma.
If you sell out, you are going to send your customers to the competitor down the street or to online retailers. It's a hot book. If you want to restock it and make money on the sale, you have to buy it from someone who charges more than your distributor. If you are lucky and can buy it back from a customer at the same price he paid. If you do, you just negated all profits you made on the previous two comics you sold. In order to make any money, a retailer has to mark it up. They are going to mark it up to what the market will bear. If the retailer likes the cycle of buying comics back at the same price he paid for them, he might only mark it up only 20%. That would be 20% over the escalated price he had to pay to restock it and make it available. Normally it will be higher than 20%. It's not unreasonable for a hot book to double in price after stores start selling out. Restocking that comic usually costs them more.
They have two choices at that point. They either buy it back at the "going price" and charge double or just sell out and watch their customers go to their competitor to get what they want.
Technically, they are in business to sell comics that their customers want. It's a lot smarter to restock and increase the price than it is to sell out and watch your customers start shopping elsewhere.
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Defiant1 Posts: 720
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That was me again. Strange software.
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